[ynguldyn]

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Latest NA0 i3 Sedan and G50 3 Series info (from Future BMW :

NA0/NA1 i3 Sedan

• In production 07/26-10/34 for Europe, US models start 11/26.
• Model range: 20, 40, 40 xDrive, 50, 50 xDrive, M60 xDrive
• Will be made in Germany and SLP (SLP starts with one year delay).
• Will include ZA0 M3 and ZA1 M3 Touring.

G50/G51 3 Series

• In production 11/26-10/34
• Intro models: worldwide 318, 320, M350 xDrive; US 330, 330 xDrive, M350 xDrive.
• 03/27: adds worldwide 320 xDrive.
• 07/27: adds worldwide 330e.
• 11/27: adds worldwide 330.
• The above lineup and schedule are preliminary and may be incomplete (e.g. the fate of diesels is currently unknown)

Similarities / Differences:

Just like BMW signaled, NA0 and G50 are being designed to look very similar to each other - to the point that they're even sharing wheel options. Though NA0 will likely be considered a bit more upscale. Little details like both will get the fancy multifunction seats but only NA0 will include the massage function.

Dates for NA0 i3 production adjusted above: non-US starts in 07/26, not in 11/26 as previously specified, and production ends in 10/34, the same time as G50 3 Series.

[chicagofan00]

Will ZA1 come to the US this time around?

[ppointer]

I will happily take a ZA1 or G51 M350, which ever shows up first.

[LuisBoston]

Originally Posted by chicagofan00

Will ZA1 come to the US this time around?

The most important question.

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by LuisBoston

The most important question.

No, the most important question is will the M3/4 still be made in Germany. If SLP, I'm out.

[///MD]

Originally Posted by Fugly M3

No, the most important question is will the M3/4 still be made in Germany. If SLP, I'm out.

Real question, not being argumentative. What difference does it make?

[azuki]

after 230i and i5 m60, i'll look to trying out the na0 in mid '27

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by ///MD

Real question, not being argumentative. What difference does it make?

It doesn’t because it’s just a machine, and yet it does. I’ve spent a lot of time in Germany with the Germans on various BMW M trips, events and schools. I’ve come to learn about their anal, obsessive technical nature. The have a penchant for following the rules and the process; to a fault, as history shows. These are the people who overwhelmingly bought the DCT in the F8X chassis not because of traffic or the wife needed to drive the car, but because it was technically superior.

They also, especially in southern Bavaria, have a serious pride about BMW; not an “I got a great job and I love this company and brand” pride, but a “this is my homeland and this is what we make pride.” Germany, more than anywhere, is divided down to the region by car. The only car that crosses the various regional boundaries with a unanimous level of national pride is the 911.

Tell a Bavarians you have a BMW and you can see them thinking "this stupid American has an X5,” as they respond with their quintessential, “oh, really?!” When they hear M car, it’s as if you’ve joined the family…in a roundabout German way, but it’s the best they can do. They’re not Italians, after all. I can manage a little bit of German and when you land in Munich and tell the customs officer you’ve come to go to the “Nurburgring mit Bay-Emm-Vay,” it’s pure “freude am stampen” with a hearty “wilkommen,” on the other end. Like Oktoberfest, BMW lives in them.

The M5 may be the expensive M car and the M2 may be the true successor to the M3, but the M3/4 are the halo cars for BMW. I don’t care about the series cars or the SUVs. But the halo car? The halo car should be made in the homeland, by the obsessive, technically anal, prideful Bavarians.

Deep down you know this. I know this. The Germans certainly know this. They can explain to me in their reads-like-an-owners-manual direct translation until their blue in the face, “makes no difference.” But they know. A 911 will never be made anywhere else. That they have to admit. The Germans will never buy a German made tequila. That they have to admit. An M3 or M4 should be made in Bavaria, by Bavarians, even if all they do is turn on the machines.

[chicagofan00]

Originally Posted by Fugly M3

No, the most important question is will the M3/4 still be made in Germany. If SLP, I'm out.

Hopefully they’ll continue building the full M variants in Germany…

[Davidbmwdd]

Does it makse sense to order now m340 or wait ?😒

[buckybadger]

Nice story but who cares what others (Germans) think.

If I’m paying top dollar then I want my product made in the homeland, Germany.

[N54sDUSTxi]

Originally Posted by Fugly M3

No, the most important question is will the M3/4 still be made in Germany. If SLP, I'm out.

Unless BMW has found a cheaper more cost-efficient way to produce the highest selling vehicle they make, why would it change? Oh, to piss off enthusiasts, right 😴

[ClearMinded]

Originally Posted by ///MD

Real question, not being argumentative. What difference does it make?

He just wants to have the best possible production quality for his money.

[rabbit1986]

Just wondering: aren’t the american members on this board bothered about the import taxes raised by the Trump gov? If it’s going to be made in Germany?

It’s going to cost European prices of that happens.

[rabbit1986]

Originally Posted by buckybadger

Nice story but who cares what others (Germans) think.

If I’m paying top dollar then I want my product made in the homeland, Germany.

You are exactly right. A german is not the most social nor polite kinda guy, but always respectful, working hard and mostly following the rules.

[AHall]

Originally Posted by rabbit1986

Just wondering: aren’t the american members on this board bothered about the import taxes raised by the Trump gov? If it’s going to be made in Germany?

It’s going to cost European prices of that happens.

I do not think anyone in the general public wants car prices to go higher due to tariffs or really any other reasons. What are we supposed to do about it at this point?

[LuisBoston]

Originally Posted by Fugly M3

No, the most important question is will the M3/4 still be made in Germany. If SLP, I'm out.

M2 folks don’t seem to mind

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by rabbit1986

You are exactly right. A german is not the most social nor polite kinda guy, but always respectful, working hard and mostly following the rules.

Wait until you watch BMW factory videos and realize who actually works on production lines at German factories these days.

[cfm56d7b]

It’s an age old dilemma. As the car manufacturer expands to markets outside of the home country, supply chains become more complex. Do you build everything in Germany for all markets? This was certainly the start. Or - do you begin to use every country’s manufacturing capabilities to optimize costs and model availability? Does the second option remove the “soul” from the car? It doesn’t. BMW Spartanburg plant commands worldwide respect.

But for low volume vehicles at a much higher price point, the marketing department likes to point to the “born in Germany” soul as one of the reasons to justify a higher price.

Customers that lease tend to focus on monthly payments and less so on where the car was manufactured. If it breaks, “there an app for that”.

[LuckyBrand]

Originally Posted by chicagofan00

Hopefully they’ll continue building the full M variants in Germany…

On the other side of things. You have an I4 M50 now lol? I thought you had a Tesla not to long ago. I guess I need to start looking at all the forums as we seem to move around a lot lol.

[forcefed]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Wait until you watch BMW factory videos and realize who actually works on production lines at German factories these days.

Is it those doctors and engineers?

[chicagofan00]

Originally Posted by LuckyBrand

On the other side of things. You have an I4 M50 now lol? I thought you had a Tesla not to long ago. I guess I need to start looking at all the forums as we seem to move around a lot lol.

Haha, yep. Just swapped the Tesla for the i4 back on the 17th of this month. Feels great to be back in a BMW.