ChipXpert wrote

Yes and no.
You won't have 400v charging, it will be 800v.
It can charge between sessions depending on what the wait time is.

Also just remember FomulaE is electric and they aren't posers.

240v split phase 50 amps is what I will have. There is maybe 20 of those outlets in the paddock. You will need to get there early cause RVs and trailer will gobble them up. An EV can not be a track car without serious compromises in track time which isn't cheap and the organizer isn't giving discounts if your car can't run all the sessions. I would love to hear the scenario where the M3 can be recharged the 6-8 times a weekend and that is what a gas car does.
I don't wanna be babysitting my car at the charger all weekend, I want to be visiting with friends during downtime.

Edit, I guess you can't even charge at the paddock outlets at VIR you need to leave the track and charge at the raceplex outside.

Formula E is irrelevant. The races are indeed shorter cause they can't do more that 50-60 miles. Sure maybe it's fine for a single sprint race, but not as a fun track car that can do 200-300 miles a day all out.

Grass Roots has a good article about the Ioniq 5n. If people are interested in first hand accounts of an EV track car.
https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/news/one-lap-of-america-day-0-recap/

zinner wrote

Grass Roots has a good article about the Ioniq 5n. If people are interested in first hand accounts of an EV track car.
https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/news/one-lap-of-america-day-0-recap/

Nice article and 30th overall and 3r in the alt fuels class.

FrozenGT wrote

You can modify EV, but it’s not gonna be the junk that people do to their cars nowadays.

Can’t really do any engine or exhaust mods on a EV………Color change wraps like seemingly every Tesla owner does? If you like to mod cars, another reason why an EV might be boring.

Not sure what junk mods you are referring to. A lot of high quality mods here on Bimmerpost at least.

ClearMinded wrote

Why do you assume that those people who criticise EVs haven't driven one?
We hate the EV concept in general! It's like I love some type of a shoe and I know that I would hate the other type and then you would demonize me for not trying the model I hate...Like wtf sorry I already know my preferences and style.
No I'm not comparing shoes to cars, but you get the idea. The principle is very similar!

Because, most of the time in my experience, they haven't.

Also, again, I really don't care that you hate EV's. That's cool. You do you. But if you haven't experienced something, your opinion isn't nearly as relevant. Sorry, but that's just facts.

The problem is not that you don't like EV's. That's fine. The problem is that people who have never tried one try to give statements like "it's soulless". Or "those are crap to drive". Or "a car can't be fun without noise". Those are "opinions" with no experience behind them.

To use your shoe example, if you were to say "I hate those shoes, they are ugly" then that is an opinion that you can have without trying them. But if you say "I hate those shoes, they look uncomfortable" but in fact you've never tried them on.....your opinion isn't worth much.

Most of the anti-EV people never say "they aren't as great for the environment as people make them out to be" or something like that. They say "must be soulless" without ever having driven one.

ClearMinded wrote

Wouldn't you agree that EVs are soulless compared to nice driving and sounding cars?

For you what does a car with soul mean? A big touchscreen? Cheap materials used? Fake leather? Speakers blowing engine sounds? Fake transmission with fake pedal shifters? I'm really curious.

Actually getting into a higher HP car (like an M3, M5,XM) than my 536HP i4 M50 left me rather surprised how lethargic their throttle response is in everyday driving. What is so fun about that? The things you feel most when driving, accelerating, braking, smoothness, the i4 M50 does in spades. The majority of high performance EV owners won't go back to gas cars once they have lived with an EV. Remember, even my i4 M50 pulls. .97 lateral gs, and will do an equivalent stop from 100mph as an M3. Its not like it is some boring pig to drive. Car and Driver has it in the top 2 of luxury EVs, right behind the Lucid. Unlike the Lucid though, Consumer Reports says the i4 is among the top EVs in reliability. Looking forward to getting a 600HP i4 M60 till I see how the new M3 is.

ClearMinded wrote

Wouldn't you agree that EVs are soulless compared to nice driving and sounding cars?

For you what does a car with soul mean? A big touchscreen? Cheap materials used? Fake leather? Speakers blowing engine sounds? Fake transmission with fake pedal shifters? I'm really curious.

No I wouldn't agree that they are soulless.

Also, your characterization "nice driving" implies that EV's can't be nice driving. And your other line of "A big touchscreen? Cheap materials used? Fake leather? Speakers blowing engine sounds? Fake transmission with fake pedal shifters?" give me an idea as to what you think EV's are about.

Let's break it down.

Big touchscreen? Found in current BMW's everywhere of the ICE variety. Seen the screen in the RAM pickups? Enormous. Cheap materials? Looked in the 5 series lately? Fake leather? Google Veganza. Speakers blowing engine sounds? My G80 has AWFUL ASD that I coded out in the first week using Bimmercode.

Doesn't sound like you're curious, sounds like you're trying to confirm your stereotypes and bias.

To me a car that has soul is one that's responsive, and reacts of a piece. One that's true to it's mission and enjoys being driven hard, and will also encourage you to do so. One that exhibits good driver feedback and inspires confidence.

Porsche Taycan easily exhibits this behavior. BMW i4 does a pretty good job, but does feel heavy on a track.

hotrod182 wrote

Actually getting into a higher HP car (like an M3, M5,XM) than my 536HP i4 M50 left me rather surprised how lethargic their throttle response is in everyday driving. What is so fun about that? The things you feel most when driving, accelerating, braking, smoothness, the i4 M50 does in spades. The majority of high performance EV owners won't go back to gas cars once they have lived with an EV.

I don't know about the majority. I went back. I couldn't find an EV that fit all my needs at the time.

hotrod182 wrote

Actually getting into a higher HP car (like an M3, M5,XM) than my 536HP i4 M50 left me rather surprised how lethargic their throttle response is in everyday driving. What is so fun about that? The things you feel most when driving, accelerating, braking, smoothness, the i4 M50 does in spades. The majority of high performance EV owners won't go back to gas cars once they have lived with an EV.

The thing I feel right after the acceleration and going into the braking, is physics coming into play with the weight shift. The instant response can work against you in a spirited driving when you’re waiting for the chassis to settle. I’ve tracked the i4 M50 and that was my biggest gripe, getting adjust to how quickly the chassis can shift weight bias.

This is where I much preferred ICE as the throttle response gave time for the chassis to settle mid apex.

It’s the suspension part of the ZA0 that has me most curious from someone who likes to explores the limits of vehicles from time to time.

Interesting, I have no doubt it will be quick & probably quicker than the G80, where is the M soul of an ICE?

Mikesbimmer wrote

Such a roaring soulful sound right? Pure emotion and character…. Hmm

it’s the Rubicon Mike.

ChipXpert wrote

Yes and no.
You won't have 400v charging, it will be 800v.
It can charge between sessions depending on what the wait time is.

Also just remember FomulaE is electric and they aren't posers.

You mean Neue Klasse? They can do both 400 and 800v charging.

Erebor wrote

You mean Neue Klasse? They can do both 400 and 800v charging.

400v is implied in the 800v architecture for backward compatibility

DrewNewM2 wrote

Can’t really do any engine or exhaust mods on a EV………Color change wraps like seemingly every Tesla owner does? If you like to mod cars, another reason why an EV might be boring.

Not sure what junk mods you are referring to. A lot of high quality mods here on Bimmerpost at least.

Most of the EVs will be suspension mods. Aero mods.

Junk mods are anything that does nothing to enhance your vehicle.

FrozenGT wrote

Most of the EVs will be suspension mods. Aero mods.

Junk mods are anything that does nothing to enhance your vehicle.

As soon as you mentioned it, i saw a slammed mustang mach-e with full carbon front end, volks, and massive spoiler.

Needsdecaf wrote

Then this car is not for you, probably should just move on.

Be interested in hearing how many high performance EV's you've owned or driven.

You are either a Formula 1 or a Formula E fan there is no in-between

Based on the screen readout, this car looks like it has over 500 miles of range!

It’s showing 544 km (338 miles) at just 67% charge — which translates to around 504 miles at 100%. And keep in mind, they're clearly not driving it efficiently.

hb can you correct me if I'm wrong?

If BMW prices the iX3 right, it could end up being one of the most successful models in the brand’s history. The Model Y, which is far less refined, is currently the best-selling car in the world — and it costs as much as an X3 outside the U.S.

Oh, and it charges from 10% to 80% in just 10 minutes.

And you can do controlled power slides at 90 mph. Seriously.

Mind-blowing.

ClearMinded wrote

Which EV enjoys being driven hard? Which EV reacts as a piece? Which encourages you to push hard? Especially after the speed limit warning beep?

Taycan, Rimac, and based on initial reviews: M3 EV.

Cars don’t have soul. Horses did. “Soul” is just an abstract fallback people use when facts stop working in their favor.

EVs don’t rumble or rattle — and that’s the point. ICE cars spent a century trying to be quiet and smooth. EVs don’t need the noise — they just go, instantly and effortlessly. That silence you hear? It’s not emptiness. It’s progress. Not to mention, more than 90% of the cars sold around the world are either 3 or 4 cylinders - or they're diesels. The noise isn't pleasant at all, it's just a nuisance.

And that speed limit chime is an EU regulation — not an EV feature — and it doesn’t exist everywhere. A “clear-minded” person might take a second to think about the benefits of quieter vehicles. It’s really not that hard: When ICE cars are finally gone, it’ll be one of the biggest quality-of-life upgrades in decades. New York City, L.A., Boston, Paris, Rome with way less noise pollution - sounds like a dream but it's coming soon!

Btw, you calling yourself 'clear minded' is like North Korea calling themselves 'Democratic People's Republic of Korea'.

ClearMinded wrote

You can argue that Mercedes and BMW have been blending their series with one another for years now and there have been very little differences visually between the 3, 5 and 7 series and I would agree on that.

I'm going to single this out because it's a wild take regardless of what side of the ICE vs. BEV argument you're on.

Are you saying that the G80, G90, and G70 have more in common than the E46, E39, and E38? I don't know if you were around back then but BMW was made fun of for the different-cut-of-the-same-sausage styling. Just some food for thought (pun intended).